Deep into Donald Trump’s three-hour October 25 sit-down on The Joe Rogan Experience, the Republican candidate wonders aloud if Kamala Harris would ever appear on the podcast. He’s clearly winding up to another insult aimed at his opponent, but Rogan takes the question seriously. “I could imagine her doing the show,” he replies. Trump presses on (“She’s not going to do it, it would be a mess”), to which Rogan laughs perfunctorily. “I think we’d have a fine conversation,” he says. “I wouldn’t try to interview her; I’d just have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being. That was my goal of getting her on: to try and get her to express herself.”

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