Being a founder is difficult under any circumstances. You operate under a state of constant duress, scrambling to figure out a working business model while not getting crushed by incumbents, losing key talent, and striving to avoid failure. Mental and physical health can take a serious toll. It’s a journey full of extreme highs and lows.

Now imagine you’re not just a startup founder, but you are the founder of the leading company in the most transformative field in history: AI.

Greg Brockman, the cofounder and president of OpenAI, has been with Sam Altman for the startup’s entire history, including during Altman’s brief 2023 ousting as CEO, only taking a short sabbatical late last year.

In between, Brockman has had to navigate lawsuits, political and regulatory scrutiny, historic fundraises, and a public that is not convinced the future he’s building is a positive one.

I sat down with Brockman on Thursday for a one-on-one discussion to gain his perspective on everything from OpenAI’s recent Hugging Face security breach to how the U.S. should consider Chinese open-source AI models, to what the business model of an AI Lab really is, to how he deals with the pressure of running OpenAI.

As for the business model: "The fundamental value delivery that we are after—we’re not there yet," Brockman said. "The massive value creation is yet to come."

And as for the pressure? “I lean on my wife a lot,” he told Fortune.

Indeed, as I left OpenAI’s New York office in the SoHo Puck Building (where OpenAI is neighbors to one of its biggest backers, Thrive Capital) I bumped into Brockman’s wife, who had made the trip to New York City to support her husband.

Read my full interview with Brockman here.

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