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A banner on the Trent Bridge celebrating Nottingham Forest playing back in Europe prior to kick off during the UEFA Europa league football match between Nottingham Forest and FC Midtjylland, Nottingham Forest head coach Ange Postecoglou during the Premier League match against Chelsea before being sacked after only 40 days and eight matches in charge, Evangelos Marinakis owner of Nottingham Forest ahead of the Europa League 2025/26 match against FC Midtjylland.
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20/10/2025

Ange Postecoglou and Nottingham Forest never made sense. So why did it happen?

The former Tottenham manager made a rash Premier League return, and it will probably be his last

Jonathan Wilson Jonathan Wilson
 

The weirdest aspect of Ange Postecoglou’s 40-day reign at Nottingham Forest was how inevitable it all felt. The only shock was that he was sacked on Saturday, within minutes of a 3-0 home defeat to Chelsea, rather than a day or two later. But by then, it was obvious this ill-starred adventure had run its course; perhaps it was kinder to everybody to bring it to an end. Forest, certainly, had to act quickly if they are to make the most of their first European campaign in three decades.

But why was such an obviously terrible appointment made in the first place? What was it that made the Nottingham Forest owner, Evangelos Marinakis, ever think that Postecoglou was the right man to succeed Nuno Espírito Santo? They met in July at an event staged by the Greek league to celebrate Postecoglou winning the Europa League with Tottenham, but was it really just that? That they got on well over a glass of wine?

Forest exceeded all expectations last season by finishing seventh, but they did so by sitting deep and playing on the counter. It was simple and effective. It got the best out of the two central defenders, Murillo and Nikola Milenković; Morgan Gibbs-White reveled in the freedom given him by a deep-lying midfield platform; Chris Wood had the season of his life, benefiting from the service provided by the rapid wide forwards, Callum Hudson-Odoi and Anthony Elanga.

That is not Postecoglou football, though, which raises two obvious questions. Did Marinakis really not understand that? And did Postecoglou not understand that? Could an owner, even one as volatile as Marinakis, really have so little understanding of football that he didn’t realise how profoundly unsuited Postecoglou was? Perhaps the idea was that Postecoglou would oversee Forest’s transition to become a more overtly attacking side and Marinakis simply underestimated the gulf in philosophy between Postecoglou and his squad.

The issue of why Postecoglou took the job is more baffling. He’s been a successful coach. He clearly understands the issues. At Tottenham, for all his bluster, he amended his style significantly in his final months, grinding out results in the Europa League. But still, being willing to compromise in extremis – and Spurs, as Postecoglou repeatedly pointed out, had an injury crisis – is not the same as undergoing some radical late-career conversion.

Postecoglou’s style is about pressing; this is not a Forest squad that can press. His first game in charge was against Arsenal. Four days before that, any thought that Milenković could push out was removed as he was sent off playing for Serbia against England, clumsily tripping Harry Kane as the forward got away from him. In hindsight it appeared almost a cry for help. Postecoglou was typically bullish after starting with a 3-0 defeat. We’d see a team playing the way he wanted them to the following Wednesday, against Swansea in the League Cup. Fortune rarely rejects such hostages: Forest went 2-0 up and lost 3-2, Angeball in excelsis. After which the decline followed its predictable path.

Postecoglou gets his payoff. And perhaps that will seem worth it for 40 days of work, such a brief stint that there was hardly time for pressure to build. But that probably ends his hopes of working in the Premier League again. His last 18 league games yielded just six points. Who would take a chance on somebody with that record?

Although his Tottenham finished fourth-bottom of the league, that at least was offset by victory in the Europa League. Memories of his eight wins in his first 10 games plus that success made his record defensible. But his 40 days at Forest have tipped the balance. Postecoglou now exists essentially as a meme, a Baghdad Bob of the dugout, making absurd claims even as the situation deteriorated around him while passive-aggressively calling people “Mate”. Taking the Forest job has torched what remained of his reputation.

So why did he take it? Was it ego? Did he think he could get this bunch of unsuitable players to play his way? Was it desperation? Did he, aged 60, think – surely wrongly – that this might be his last chance of landing a Premier League job? Or did he feel time drawing in, and think it was now or never? He spoke of how a relaxed and tanned manager was merely one who was out of work; perhaps he just missed the adrenaline. But given how obvious the mismatch was to everybody else, surely Postecoglou must have known what he was up against?

That misjudgment alone is perhaps enough to render him unsuitable for any other Premier League job. But it has also damaged his legacy. He’s no longer the idealist who achieved improbable redemption with the Europa League triumph; he’s now just another dreamer who failed.

Trivia question

Harry Maguire of Manchester United celebrates scoring a goal to make the score 1-2 during the Premier League match between Liverpool and Manchester United at Anfield on October 19, 2025 in Liverpool, United Kingdom.
camera Harry Maguire scored the winner for Manchester United at Anfield. Photograph: Ash Donelon/Manchester United/Getty Images

Manchester United turned heads with a 2-1 win at Liverpool on Sunday, marking the first time Liverpool has lost four straight since November of 2014. It was also Manchester United’s first win at Anfield since 2016. In that game, a 1-0 win for Manchester United, who scored the only goal?

a) Wayne Rooney
b) Anthony Martial
c) Juan Mata
d) Memphis Depay

On this day …

Manchester United and Arsenal players fight on the pitch during the Barclays League Division One match at Old Trafford in Manchester, England. Arsenal won the match 1-0.
camera Manchester United and Arsenal players came to blows in a contentious meeting on this day in 1990. Photograph: Russell Cheyne/Getty Images

Arsenal had won five and drawn three of their opening eight games of the 1990-91 season, but that still left them six points behind the champions Liverpool, who had made a perfect start. Their ninth game, on 20 October 1990, took them to Old Trafford. The previous few seasons had seen numerous flashpoints between the sides. A bad challenge by Norman Whiteside on David O’Leary in 1987 had ignited a game that featured seven yellow cards and a red, and resentment had simmered ever since.

Anders Limpar put Arsenal ahead on the stroke of half-time; the only goal of the game. Just after half-time, Denis Irwin caught Limpar who retaliated by kicking him on the thigh. Nigel Winterburn piled in, then so did Brian McClair. The brawl escalated until all 21 players apart from the Arsenal keeper David Seaman were involved. The referee Keith Hackett had been too involved trying to separate players to know who was to blame so issued just two yellow cards but a subsequent FA inquiry docked Arsenal two points (because they had been involved in a similar incident with Norwich) and United one. Arsenal, though, lost only one game all season and, despite the deduction, won the league by seven points.

US watch

Chris Richards of Crystal Palace plays the ball.
camera Chris Richards faced off against Tyler Adams in a wild 3-3 draw. Photograph: Alan Walter/Shutterstock

Folarin Balogun followed his excellent USMNT window with another goal-scoring performance for his club, netting Monaco’s only goal in a 1-1 draw with Angers. Elsewhere in France, Tim Weah came on as a late substitute in Marseille’s 6-2 thrashing of Le Havre to go top of Ligue 1.

In the Premier League, Chris Richards and Tyler Adams each went the full 90 minutes against each other as Crystal Palace and Bournemouth played to a chaotic 3-3 draw. Brenden Aaronson started and played 66 minutes in Leeds’s 2-0 loss to Burnley. In Italy, Weston McKennie came on as a late substitute in Juventus’s 2-0 loss to Como.

What to watch

Anders Dreyer #10 of San Diego FC looks on during the first half against Portland Timbers at Providence Park on October 18, 2025 in Portland, Oregon.
camera Andres Dreyer and San Diego FC are the top seed in the Western Conference. Photograph: Soobum Im/Getty Images

(All times Eastern)

The MLS playoffs have arrived. The fun gets started on Wednesday with two wild-card games, determining which team will go on to face the top-seeded team in each conference. Both kick off on Wednesday, with the Chicago Fire hosting Orlando City (8.30pm, Apple TV+) and Portland Timbers hosting Real Salt Lake (10.30pm, Apple TV+). After that, the full best-of-3 first round starts on Friday with Lionel Messi and Inter Miami hosting Nashville SC (8pm, Apple TV+).

The Champions League also restarts with a full slate of midweek matchups. Tuesday features two headline matchups: Bayer Leverkusen hosting defending champions PSG (3pm, Paramount+) and Arsenal hosting Atlético Madrid (3pm, Paramount+ and TUDN). The pick of the bunch on Wednesday is probably Real Madrid v Juventus (3pm, Paramount+).

On the women’s side of things, this weekend is an international window. The US women’s national team plays the first of two friendlies against Portugal on Thursday (7pm, TNT), with the second coming on Sunday (4pm, TNT).

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Trivia answer

Manchester United’s English striker Wayne Rooney (L) celebrates scoring the opening goal during the English Premier League football match between Liverpool and Manchester United at Anfield in Liverpool, northwest England, on January 17, 2016.
camera Wayne Rooney scored in the later stages of Manchester United’s win at Anfield nearly 10 years ago. Photograph: Paul Ellis/AFP/Getty Images

The answer is, of course, a) Wayne Rooney. Manchester United’s all-time top scorer broke through in the 78th minute of a cold affair at Anfield. It was the Red Devils’ first shot on target, leaving Jürgen Klopp, then in his first season at Liverpool,