President Donald Trump posted again this morning on Truth Social about his desire for interest rates to be much lower than they are now, and calling the Fed chair names along the way. Stacey Vanek Smith, co-host of the Everybody’s Business podcast, writes today about why Jerome Powell can just turn the other cheek. Plus: A rebel army is supplying essential minerals to manufacturers around the world, and a small business is behind a lot of the sparkly faces at concerts and sporting events this summer. If this email was forwarded to you, click here to sign up. Whenever President Donald Trump talks about ousting Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, as he did this week, I think about a purse I have hanging on the wall of my apartment. It was a gift from economist Gabriela Saade back in 2020, and it’s made out of paper money. Specifically, it’s woven from hundreds of Venezuelan bolivars (about 40,000 worth, she estimated). The purse is a product of Venezuela’s hyperinflation. Saade, who was working in her hometown of Caracas at the time, paid $3 for it. “You see them around the city,” she told me. “Since bolivars are worthless, they are making art out of them.” The purse is lovely: pink, purple, green and white and beautifully crafted. But any currency that’s more valuable as a purse than as spending money inside it should serve as a warning about the kinds of things that can happen to a country and an economy if it lets inflation run rampant. For me, the bolivar bag is a reminder of one of the dangers that can happen if a central bank loses its independence. The purse made of Venezuelan bolivars. Source: Stacey Vanek Smith This week on the Businessweek podcast, Everybody’s Business, Max Chafkin and I talk with economist Martha Gimbel, executive director of the Budget Lab at Yale, about the increasingly hot topic of Fed independence. The presidentially appointed chair (in this case, Powell, who was selected by Trump back in 2017) can’t be fired before the end of a four-year term absent cause. Powell’s term as chair will end in May 2026, which doesn’t seem soon enough for Trump, who has become increasingly frustrated with the Fed’s resistance to lowering interest rates. “He’s too late. He’s always been too late, hence his nickname, ‘Too Late,’” Trump said of Powell this week. “He should have cut interest rates a long time ago,” he added. “He’s costing us a lot of money.” Gimbel, who was a White House economist in the Biden administration, says she understands where the president is coming from. “It's fun when interest rates are low,” she says. “You can borrow money more cheaply, and then you can spend more money. If you’re a business, you can buy a bunch of property, hire a bunch of workers, and then those workers have wages that they can spend on things.” Lowering interest rates is like giving the economy a shot of espresso: Everybody feels good and everybody wins, at least for a while. The trouble is, all of that cheap, easy money can create a dangerous situation around inflation. “The fact that it’s fun when interest rates are low is exactly why we have an independent central bank,” Gimbel says. High interest rates are no fun at all. You want to buy a house? A car? Take out a student loan? Expand your business? It’s going to cost you. At best, you’ll have to scale back your purchases. At worst, you’ll have to scrap your plans altogether. Meanwhile, the interest rate on your credit card bill soars, nobody’s hiring, and you can’t sell your house. Elected officials understandably see a great danger in throwing a wet blanket on the economy. Gimbel points to the oft-cited cautionary tale of Arthur Burns, who was Fed chair under President Richard Nixon. As inflation crept up, Nixon pressured Burns to keep interest rates where they were in an effort to maintain growth and employment. The result: years of double-digit price increases and a very damaged economy. After Paul Volcker took over as Fed chair in 1979, nominated by President Jimmy Carter, he raised interest rates up to 20%. (Right now, by comparison, they’re around 4%.) The effect was stark: Borrowing cratered, businesses got smaller, markets plunged, millions of people lost their jobs, and the US was driven into a recession. But Volcker didn’t budge and, after several years of pain, inflation came down and the economy started to grow. Volcker never would’ve survived as Fed chair had he been an elected official. He even got death threats. But because Volcker didn’t have to worry about votes, he could do what he thought was best for the economy. Carter wasn’t so lucky—he was voted out of office. Fed independence has trade-offs too. Tom Orlik, chief economist for Bloomberg Economics, recently made the excellent point that the inflation spike during the Covid-19 pandemic and its aftermath was one reason President Joe Biden lost his job, but Powell (whose actual job it is to make sure inflation stays in check) didn’t face those consequences. The Fed has enormous power over our economy, our businesses and our lives. It’s not unreasonable to want someone with that much power to have to answer for their decisions. Of course, the US economy is strong, inflation is relatively low, and hyperinflation (of the bolivar bag kind) doesn’t happen because of any one thing. Still, an independent central bank is an important barrier to this kind of economic devastation. “I understand why it is frustrating, this idea of a group of unelected bureaucrats just kind of looking at charts,” Gimbel says. “But we do have decades of experience that tell us that a group of unelected bureaucrats looking at charts is actually the thing that gets you the best economic outcome.” After years of Volckerian austerity, there was a payoff. People all over the world trusted the US dollar to hold its value and, 40 years later, the US economy is the largest in the world (and the dollar is firmly an “in the purse” currency). Gimbel says she’s glad the person making the difficult decision of how to walk the line between economic growth and inflation doesn’t have to take popularity into account while making that call. Independence gives the Fed the luxury of taking the long view. Listen and subscribe to Everybody’s Business on Apple, Spotify, iHeart and the Bloomberg Terminal. |